Posts by still wondering

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God's "official channel"

by Deputy Dog in

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i'm amazed at how many on this forum, believe the gb really believes their own lie, that they are god's "official channel".

are there many of you that believe as i do.

i believe somewhere deep down they know they are just fooling people.

still wondering

I agree 100% with garybuss. We, formerly R & F members, as has been said before are treated like mushrooms i.e. kept in the dark and fed manure.

Whereas those at the top have a good reason to keep us in the dark. Maintaining their powerbase depends on it. If the average dub knew just a fraction of what goes on higher up most I’m sure would leave.

I don’t see Raymond Franz admitting that they all knew it was a fraud as this would clearly reflect on him and the time that he spent as an integral and leading part of this great deception.

I see no point in looking to him for clues.

Raymond Franz, for all his subsequent good work at attempting to make amends for his part in this great deception, it seems is still reluctant to bear his share of the responsibility and hence as far as I know has never apologised publicly for his gross error in perpetuating the Watchtower

SCAM, TRICK, LIE, and the BLASPHEMOUS INSULT that it is, as a previous poster once amply demonstrated.

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LambsRoar Forums Are Back Online...

by FlipThis in

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to all lambsroar.com members, .

i just wanted to let you all know that the forums are back up and running.

also, i want to apologize to one and all for any inconvenience i've caused you by being off line for so long.

still wondering

LambsRoar Forums Are Back Online...

but they have gone again.

does anyone know what happened and if it is possible to find their archives?

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the WTS and the internet

by still wondering in

how is it that when searching for jehovahs witnesses or watchtower in google their official websites always comes first?.

do they have to pay to get these results?

if they are paying then is this not another example of hypocrisy after telling the "sheep" not to use the internet but then spending the "sheeps" donations on maintaining an internet presence?.

still wondering

"they are largely also ranked by how many other websites LINK TO them."

What other web sites would want to carry links to the WTS and why? Is the WTS paying them to carry such links?

Does anyone know if in the early days to get to the top of Google the WTS payed them for a sponsored link?

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the WTS and the internet

by still wondering in

how is it that when searching for jehovahs witnesses or watchtower in google their official websites always comes first?.

do they have to pay to get these results?

if they are paying then is this not another example of hypocrisy after telling the "sheep" not to use the internet but then spending the "sheeps" donations on maintaining an internet presence?.

still wondering

Thanks BY

But if that is so then is it not self perpetuating as the top websites will always get the most traffic simply because they are at the top?

How did they get to the top in the first place?

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the WTS and the internet

by still wondering in

how is it that when searching for jehovahs witnesses or watchtower in google their official websites always comes first?.

do they have to pay to get these results?

if they are paying then is this not another example of hypocrisy after telling the "sheep" not to use the internet but then spending the "sheeps" donations on maintaining an internet presence?.

still wondering

How is it that when searching for Jehovah’s witnesses or watchtower in Google their official websites always comes first?

Do they have to pay to get these results? If so, how much?

If they are paying then is this not another example of hypocrisy after telling the "sheep" not to use the internet but then spending the "sheep’s" donations on maintaining an internet presence?

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WERE THERE ANY THIEFS IN YOUR CONGREGATIONS?

by badboy in

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any takers?

still wondering

the following is from a previous post of mine..............................

For an organisation run by compulsive liars and conmen who steal not just others people’s lives but anything else they can get their hands on, like getting simple minded folk to will their kids inheritance to "THE ORGANISATION" ( I always think this sounds like the Mafia) there are bound to be many well hushed up scandals. Here are some of the ones I knew about and some I’d like to know more about.

Back in the 1960’s a DO (Doug Turnbull I think was his name) had been stealing from the assembly funds for many years. When he was finally caught red handed after a trap had been set for him by an ex copper who was himself at the time a CO he had stashed away enough to set himself up with the largest office cleaning company in Scotland. It was also found he had numerous young special pioneer sisters around the country for his sexual satisfaction. (Rather like a sailor with a girl in every port).

In the north of England the accounts servant in a congregation walked of with the entire new Kingdom Hall building fund (forgotten the amount but tens of thousands). Many years later he returned, confessed, got reinstated and after a further 10 years or so became would you believe it the accounts servant again? Yes you guessed right. He did it again and has not been seen since.

A kingdom hall in the London area was broken into and had their sound system stolen twice including the brand new replacement. It was found that one of the elders in the congregation had a large family of sons and apparently they needed some sound equipment. But they were just following their dad as when any work was undertaken at the KH in which he was involved everyone had to watch their tools else somebody else would take them home.

The Bossart hotel with marble pillars and crystal chandeliers has been lived in by the WTS top brass since the 1980’s as far as I know. Luxurious and opulent fail to describe adequately their living conditions. Also Fishing (and hunting?)trips in their private jets to Alaska.

Since the WTS shares are not publically traded then the current shareholders (those that attend the annual shareholder meeting) inherited their shares from family members long since dead. Is it likely that many of those that have inherited their shares are no longer JW’s themselves and so why would they take the trouble and expense to travel every year to the shareholders meeting if there was nothing in it for them? Does anyone know if a dividend is paid? How can one find out?

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Why there will always be Jehovah's Witnesses.

by TooBad TooSad in

there will always be jehovah's witnesses because:.

1. there will always be people who can not think for themselves.. 2. there will always be people who need to be told how to dress, what to do on vacation, what.

to do on the weekends, how much education you should have, and what married couples can do in bed.. 3. there will always be people who are willing to put thier lives on hold as they wait for better times.. 4. there will always be people who, because they can not make a decision, enjoy being told what.

still wondering

Absolutely spot on, except from my experience easily the majority fall into this description, possibly 80 to 90%.

Why so high? Because those that do not fall into the category that you have so accurately described will leave. Decent, honest individuals and those who sincerely seek the truth form a constant stream of people deserting the wts leaving behind a morass who are not.

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How do you now interpret the Lords Prayer?

by still wondering in

for those of you that have survived and come through the great tribulation of having been a member of the wts and still have a faith in god, how do you now interpret the lords prayer?.

just what do you think jesus meant when he said "thy kingdom come, thy will be done on earth as it is in heaven"?.

still wondering

For those of you that have survived and come through the Great Tribulation of having been a member of the wts and still have a faith in God, how do you now interpret the Lord’s Prayer?

Just what do you think Jesus meant when he said "Thy kingdom come, thy will be done on earth as it is in heaven"?

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If the G.B. and WTS don't have good motives, what is the point.....

by Mightyone in

this may be the topic of an old thread but, if the g.b.

and wts don't have good motives, what is the point of the whole religion?

i mean, it doesn't appear that anybody is getting rich or am i missing something.

still wondering

This could be one line of research that may yield an answer.

Since the WTS shares are not publically traded then the current shareholders (those that attend the annual shareholder meeting) inherited their shares from family members long since dead. Is it likely that many of those that have inherited their shares are no longer JW’s themselves and so why would they take the trouble and expense to travel every year to the shareholders meeting if there was nothing in it for them? Does anyone know if a dividend is paid? How can one find out?

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Question from Newbie Chris Cross, JW accounting & money trail

by horrible life in

this was on another thread.

since that thread died a slow death, i thought this question from this newbie, needed to be answered.

i have an extra topic to give away.

still wondering

For an organisation run by compulsive liars and conmen who steal not just others people’s lives but anything else they can get their hands on, like getting simple minded folk to will their kids inheritance to "THE ORGANISATION" ( I always think this sounds like the Mafia) there are bound to be many well hushed up scandals. Here are some of the ones I knew about and some I’d like to know more about.

Back in the 1960’s a DO (Doug Turnbull I think was his name) had been stealing from the assembly funds for many years. When he was finally caught red handed after a trap had been set for him by an ex copper who was himself at the time a CO he had stashed away enough to set himself up with the largest office cleaning company in Scotland. It was also found he had numerous young special pioneer sisters around the country for his sexual satisfaction. (Rather like a sailor with a girl in every port).

In the north of England the accounts servant in a congregation walked of with the entire new Kingdom Hall building fund (forgotten the amount but tens of thousands). Many years later he returned, confessed, got reinstated and after a further 10 years or so became would you believe it the accounts servant again? Yes you guessed right. He did it again and has not been seen since.

A kingdom hall in the London area was broken into and had their sound system stolen twice including the brand new replacement. It was found that one of the elders in the congregation had a large family of sons and apparently they needed some sound equipment. But they were just following their dad as when any work was undertaken at the KH in which he was involved everyone had to watch their tools else somebody else would take them home.

The Bossart hotel with marble pillars and crystal chandeliers has been lived in by the WTS top brass since the 1980’s as far as I know. Luxurious and opulent fail to describe adequately their living conditions. Also Fishing (and hunting?)trips in their private jets to Alaska.

Since the WTS shares are not publically traded then the current shareholders (those that attend the annual shareholder meeting) inherited their shares from family members long since dead. Is it likely that many of those that have inherited their shares are no longer JW’s themselves and so why would they take the trouble and expense to travel every year to the shareholders meeting if there was nothing in it for them? Does anyone know if a dividend is paid? How can one find out?